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frankly. because even though we were asking for the same things the immediate wra was asking for, the media was getting the information and we weren't. >> that will have to be the last word tonight. sharon cooper i'm sorry for very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> and thank you for joining us too. tonight on "all in". >> in the first spot directly center stage, donald trump. >> the stage is set. who will be standing with the unsinkable unthinkable donald trump on thursday night? >> they people are tired. they are sick and tired of incompetent politicians. and planned parent hd. the pranking on the campaign trail and a little tmi on the campaign trail. >> i'm catholic and i have used birth control, not just the
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rhythm method. >> good evening from new york. i'm alex wagger in in for chris hayes. >> fox will use ten candidates in the prime time debate. chosen by fox news and fox news on pole. the network is holding a separate debate earlier in the day for the rest of the field. fox news hosts tried to stress that the candidates of the republicans who missed the cut are still to be taken seriously. despite the fact that fox relegated them to what many are calling the kids table. >> again, it's important to point out that any of those candidates would bump up later
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on. and be in a different position in a different debate. >> this is still what? almost seven, eight months before people actually start voting in iowa. some of the people that are in the top tier will fall back into the second tier. and some of the people in the second tier will come forward. >> here is how the stage will look for the main event on thursday night. front-runner donald trump who holds a double-digit lead over his nearest competitor will be at center stage franked by jeb bush and governor scott walker, polling in second and third place. positions four through eight will be occupied by mike huckabee, ben carson, ted cruz, marco rubio and rand paul. down at the ends of the stage, chris christie and john kasich who squeaked in at about 3% each. these are the candidates who didn't make it and rell vated to the second debate at 5:00 p.m. they include rick perry, barely missing the cut, rick santorum who won 11 states and finished second to mitt romly in
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in the 2012 presidential nominating process. lindsey graham, a three-term u.s. senator and carly fiorina, the only woman in the 17-person republican field. supporters of the candidates who won't make the debate are trying to put on a brave face in terms of what could be a major blow. one rick perry adviser told "the new york times" there was an upside to missing the main event since, quote, there's a good chance that the 9:00 p.m. debate stage is going to be turned into a circus. an adviser to the super pac for bobby jindal remained defiant, quote. the donor class will not pick the nominee, nor will the establishment in washington nor a cable network. joining me ezra klein, rick wilson republican media consultant. and rick tyler, national spokesperson for ted cruz's president campaign. rick tyler, let me start with you since you're in the thick of all this. it's good to see you. >> good to see you, alex.
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>> rick santorum is angry about this, calling on fox news to apologize. do you think his anger is warranted? >> well, look, the 5:00 p.m. -- remember 5:00 p.m. on the east coast is 8:00 on the west coast. 9:00 start for the second debate is midnight on the west coast. so i think the 5:00 -- the network has done the best they could. all the networks will be faced with the same thing. and i think it's right that the people who are on the stage now in the so-called desired debate to be in -- >> rick -- >> not going to be the same people 12 debates from now. >> just to be clear, rick the 5:00 debate is actually 2:00 p.m. on the west coast. >> you're absolutely right. thank you for correcting me. >> i'm sure fox appreciates the mathematical assist. >> going from the wrong direction. >> 2:00 p.m. is not quite 8:00 p.m. >> again, the polls are going to change. people in one debate won't be on stage in the other debate.
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people are going to drop it. remember. mitt romney didn't even attend the first debate and went on to win the nomination. so, look, i think the debates are important. they can see all the candidates at the same time. but 17 candidates on the stage is probably a little unwieldy. 17 people on the stage is a lot unruly. >> look, 12 people on the stage is a lot of people. some how they had to call the field. what do you make of fox's efforts and the result that we have tonight? >> i don't think they had a winning position on this. i don't think there was one to be very clear. i think 17 is too many to have on stage. frankly, i think the number they're going to have is going to be too many to run an effective debate. you really want three or four or five. you'll have a situation where they need to let everyone in. how much time is chris christie really going to get in there? the big problem i think -- i think the reason people are
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freaked out about this debate is not the fact that some candidates aren't making the cut. that is a little bit unusual, but it's not completely unheard of. i think much more of what's going on is that the breakdown is not coming the way people expected. the fact that this debate, this hotly anticipated clash will have donald trump in the center of the stage. remember, the way the board is actually set is the candidate polling the highest actually gets put right there in the center. he's going to get probably the most questions. the fact he's going to be right there in the center and you'll have candidates considered marquis players a couple years ago like perry, santorum not on the stage, that i think is what an horse in this race, which debate stage would you want him on? >> on the main debate stage because it will get a ton of eyeballs. roger ailes is brilliant at television and framing a brilliant television event for that evening. i think both perry and carly fiorina are fan favorites who have been punching above their
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weight class for this year, and there's a feeling that john kasich and chris christie are weighing the book ends here of the stage but aren't really the folks that a lot of the folks grassroots want to hear from in this campaign. i'd rather have them in the big show obviously. there's a great risk this becomes the donald trump hour of excess. >> rick tyler, how does ted cruz sure this doesn't become the donald trump hour of excess? >> there's a misunderstanding that people are positing that donald trump would be embarrassing to have the center of the stage. i would be more embarrassed to have bernie sanders in the center of the stage.
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>> he's not running in the republican race. >> we've got 17 very impressive candidates. it looks like that '70s show. you look at the difference. we have a blessing of riches. i think misunderstanding -- >> rick, do you think the whole field thinks of donald trump and the attendant other 16 candidates as a blessing of riches? >> i think what the point about donald trump is, as you alluded to earlier, that donald trump is an embarrassment to the republican party, and that is just an indication of the establishment and the washington cartel doesn't understand why donald trump is popular in the first place. he's getting 26% for a reason. he's getting it because he's talking about and highlighting issues american people care about and talk about and putting action items to those as well. senator cruz does that as well. a little differently than donald trump does. people are sick of the status
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quo, sick of politician whose pontificate and go on and on about all the problems, the debt, the immigration and nothing ever happens and nothing ever changes. look at the showed planned parenthood vote. >> he has called for a shutdown of planned parenthood. i don't think even pro choice people could look at these videos and think that represents their values. we have this show vote we put on the u.s. senate. to the point, donald trump is talking about things and issues that people care about and they're ending the rest of the republican field a clear message, is talk about these issues and give us your answer to these issues and stop trying the have it both ways. >> i would push back. ezra, you have written about this, people are taking donald trump seriously. he has broad support. we'll have much more breakdown
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on the polling. >> there is no candidate in the republican field polling higher than donald trump and none polling lower either. if you look at the candidate that the most republicans say they would absolutely not want as their nominee it's donald trump. i agree that donald trump is addressing issues that people feel strongly about. the issues he's addressing, a lot of people feel vehemently that a lot of what he is saying is noxious. 20% of the vote is a maul minority of the republican party, and be a huge embarrassment and problem to the republican party. yes, i absolutely agree that donald trump is tapping into something real. i think people should be taking what he's saying seriously and take seriously the idea that he represents a portion of the country. the portion he represents, the things he's saying, it is an embarrassment, the reason you
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setons antons and tons of commentators tearing their hair out. a writer followed him around for a while and he really went out looking to take what donald trump is saying and doing seriously. and he couldn't find really any evidence of a political platform there. there's not a tax plan, not an economic plan. trump's run is a run of ego, but also a run of channelling the things people are most frustrated and angry about. that's really how you tip into demagoguery very quickly. it's going to be very bad for the republican party. >> rick wilson, let me go to you. if you are carly fiorina, bobby jindal, scott walker, what is your advice on breaking through at this point? >> listen, everybody has got a long time to go and a long time to breathe. at this point in '07 my friend rudy giuliani was way up the field and everybody thought hillary was inevitable.
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these are things that will be changes -- the amplitude and frequency of the changes of the front-runner in this political environment is going to surprise people. donald trump will fade eventually. the people that on the republican side who have been swinging at him i think will get credit for it down the line because they're going to show strength against a guy who is eventually going to be regarded -- it's one thing to be the strong man but it tips over to being the bully very quickly. i think drum's brand has a little time left on it. he gets coverage because he says something outrageous. therefore, we get more news coverage. god love you guys, you can keep throwing that alligator meat all day long. it's going to eat you last. trump is not running on a political platform. it's purely ego. it's a giant con. the things he selected are things people are legitimately angry about but he's playing people. >> it may be a giant con.
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ezra klein, rick wilson and rick tyler, thank you for your time. >> thank you. still to come, could we be facing a government shutdown this fall over funding planned parenthood. plus the unsinkable donald trump, more on why against all odds he seems to be the untouchable candidate. for those of us who struggle with the summer heat because it means frigid temperatures in the office, a little vindication this week. i'll tell you why just ahead. ♪ [announcer]when we make beyond natural dry dog and cat foods. we start with real meat as the first ingredient. we leave out corn,wheat and soy. and we own where our dry food is made-100 percent! can other brands say all that? for nutrition you can trust and your pet will enjoy... does your food go beyond? learn more at you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town.
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if you took dollar for dollar, there are many extraordinarily fine organizations, community health organizations that exist, federally sponsored community health organizations to provide quality care for women on a wide variety of issues. >> i'm not sure we need half a billion for women's health issues. those comments met with
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immediate outrage on twitter including from hillary clinton who tweeted jeb bush, you are absolutely, unequivocally wrong. headlines like this from politico, another gift for dems started popping up almost instantaneously. then damage control, the besh camp put out a statement, quote, with regard to women's health funding broadly, i misspoke, as there are countless community health centers, rural clinics and women's health organizations that need to be fully funded. i was referring to the hard to fathom $500 million in federal funding that goes to planned parenthood. a woman offers a firsthand testimonial on women eats health issues.
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senate republicans may have come up short last night on a procedural vote to defund planned parenthood, that was the opening salvo in a fight starting the take over the presidential campaign and is increasing the chances of a government shutdown when the federal budget expires this fall. since 1800 house conservatives pledged not to pass any new spending bills that maintain planned parenthood funding, three gop presidential hopefuls signaled their support for
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shutting down the government. ted cruz, kentucky senator rand paul, looking to reclaim his tea party mojo and the republican front runner donald trump. >> would you support that? >> i can tell you this, i would and i was also in support. if the republicans stuck together, you could have done it with obama care, also. they left a lot of people that really went in and wanted to do the job, and if they stuck together, they would have won that battle. i think you have to in this case also. >> already planned parenthood's funding is planned to be the purity test for republican nominees. after the first debate on thursday, half the candidates head to atlanta for the red state gathering hosted by erick erickson of the influential red state blog. he wrote last week, if republicans are not willing to make this their hill to die on and even see the government shut
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down to stop this, the republican party needs to be shut down. ericsson later tweeted intends to ask each if they plan to shut down planned parenthood. there seems to be a foolproof opportunity, a fifth video was released to day and the anti-abortion group that made them says more are coming. the videos don't actually show any illegal activity and planned parenthood maintains it makes no profit from tissue donation. if republican lawmakers end up boxed into a shutdown fight, they may find they have over played their hand. joining me is terry o'neill, president of the national organization for women. terry, it seems to me there are two camps of republicans, some like jeb bush who say we should defund the organization and others who say we need to shut down the government. can you have it both ways? can you say in the modern republican party, defund it but not be willing to shut down the
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government? >> apparently not. evidently the republican leadership has gone onto a crazy train. there's really something scary, alex, when united states senators, mitch mcconnell included get into bed with the violent fringe of the anti-abortion movement. the folks who put out this video are actually supported and founded by individuals with operation rescue which has a long and sorted history of violent attacks on abortion providers. >> terry, what i don't understand is the war on women line of argument, if you will, so effective in defeating republicans in previous election cycles. you would think that the establishment would do everything in its power to keep the fringe from bringing this up. mitch mcconnell initially didn't want to take a vote on defunding planned parenthood. now he's on board. you saw jeb bush get all kinds
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of twisted around in a statement at the southern baptist convention ultimately saying i'm not sure we need half a billion on women's health issues, something he'll be presumably apologizing for for the next media cycle. >> one hopes he will be apologizing for it. planned parenthood serves over 2.7 million women, men and young people every single year. you can't replicate that. you can't defund planned parenthood and have anything like a health system that could step in and provide services to 2.7 million people. so a vote against planned parenthood was a vote specifically against women's health care. that is why my organization is
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going to be targeting senator kelly aart, senator lisa murkowski, senator joe manchin. these are people who hold themselves out in some way in favor of women's issues. nonsense. you voted against planned parenthood. those individuals are up for re-election in 2016. we're going after them. >> do you think it makes a difference that they're trying to use women on their side. >> women are not fooled. women know how important planned parenthood is to women's health care. one many five women in this country, by one estimate, have used specifically planned parenthood's services, and there are many other excellent health care centers that provide the full range of reproductive health care to women including abortion care. women throughout this country, republican women and independent women and democratic women love planned parenthood because it provides such excellent services. the men think they can hide behind the skirts of these women. that's not going to work with
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the women voters. the republicans are on track to lose the women's vote massively. by the way, i think they're on track to lose the millennial vote that's both women and women millennials for decades, for generations. >> thank you terry o'neill, thanks for your time. joining me is brian beutler from "the new republic." you get to the nugget of this which is republicans are over playing their hand and one powerful part of their base doesn't see any cost to political brinksmanship and government shutdowns so they keep doing it. will they ever learn their lesson? >> i'm not sure -- it's really the case that anti-abortion segment of the republican base has been sort of lied to by conservatives who wanted an issue to beat democrats over the head with. the actual material in the video raises issues if addressed on an
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honest level wouldn't make a lot of fireworks. is it right for planned parenthood to recoup the costs for denating fatal tissue? should those cost bs born by women who have abortions? these are issues that might generate some controversy, but not at the level we've seen. what conservative activists have fed to pro life people is that planned parenthood is this criminal fetal organ harvesting organization. if that's really what you think it is, even though there may not be a strong political logic to shutting down the government in order to stop it, you think there's some kind of crisis and maybe this is the only way to wake up the rest of the country. the problem is it's not just what's going on, so you can't build a real consensus to stop it. >> brian, the fight against planned parenthood has been raging for some time now. >> right. >> it boggles the mind that the establishment thinks they can sort of feed, stoke the fire and not get licked by the flames, that they can embrace these disingenuous operations and stoke the indignation around
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that and not expect a group of people who have been jonesing basically for the shutdown of planned parenthood to push it to its furthest limit which we've seen time and time again is shutting down the government. >> when the video started coming out, you had conservative activists, pro life groups immediately spinning this into an idea that you had something ghoulish and awful happening and it was systemic and the only way to stop it was to shut down planned parenthood. at that point i feel the leaders of the republican party had a basic choice. they could either say no, that's not what's happening in these videos and as much as we don't like it, abortion is legal in this country. as it is legal, fetal tissue donation is something we think should be legal or shouldn't be
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legal. if we're going to debate it, we'll debate it on those terms. instead, they felt their jobs would be put at risk if they didn't confront this head-on or it will would be worth it to fold that sector of their electorate back in. they didn't stop it. if they were willing to negotiate a full budget with democrats where they could horse trade at the margins over issues that include funding for women's health care. they might be even able to provide a minor victory for anti-abortion causes. instead what they're doing is demanding everything and saying we're going to fund the government at current levels and we want to do it with a rider that says no more funding for planned parenthood and that can't pass. if that's the only thing they're willing to offer, the only way this ends is with a government shutdown. >> haven't we heard that refrain
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the art of the campaign frank is as old as campaigns themselves. mitt romney's own children called him pretending to be arnold schwarzenegger. >> i would just like to get to know you. >> well, we've had the chance -- >> i want to ask you a bunch of questions and i want to have them answered immediately. >> go right ahead and shoot. >> or when two canadian deejays fooled sarah palin into thinking they were the french president nicolas sarkozy. >> i look forward to getting to meet you and work with you personally. your beautiful wife. you've added a lot of energy to the country even with that beautiful family of yours. >> thank you very much. my wife carla would love to meet you even though she was a bit jealous when i was supposed to speak to you today.
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>> governor scott walker tried to eat a philly cheese steak in peace holding up signs that says scott walker sniffs his own poop and walker lives inside my butt. >> only to have those people turn the side over to reveal a fake check from the koch brothers which brings us to donald trump who has never had a fully impenetrable media team. >> my idea is to come out with the ice cream gloves that make the ice cream not go on your gloves and make it sticky and also keep your hands warm when you is eating the ice cream. is you in or is you in? >> it sounds like a good idea and i hope you make a lot of money. good luck, folks. it's been nice seeing you. >> this time a picture appeared on time of a beaming trump with a good of students saying the
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he has endorsed single payer health care, praised hillary clinton's performance as secretary of state and donated to democrats, and that's just for starters. yet he's dominating the republican field decisively. one new poll showed trump leading among republican whose are rich, poor, old, young, male and female as well as college grads and those without a degree. last night fox aired a focus group from new hampshire that offered a little insight into trump's appeal. >> i am against the fact that they are saying low information voter -- i am against -- >> do your homework -- >> insulting my intelligence that i'm voting for donald trump. >> he voted for hillary. >> i don't care, i don't care. >> trump supporters told "gq" magazine that they, quote, like that trump won't back down and won't take no stuff from nobody. this hour trump was asked by bill o'reilly if he was shocked
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at all by how good his poll numbers are? >> the poll numbers are not only good, they're phenomenal. we got numbers from south carolina which are through the roof, iowa, new hampshire, not only the national numbers. i'm very honored by it. what it really shows is people are tired of incompetence. >> joining me is jonathan chait, "new york magazine" and joshua green from bloomberg politics. jonathan, in terms of deciphering trump's appeal, you get closest to it. i'll quote from your piece. trump's affect supplies his appeal. he is strong, mad and unapologetic in a world that demands he apologizes. not the spokesman for an idea but the idea of undifferentiated resentment. the resentment is the whole point, it's the beginning and end of his candidacy. >> i think that's right.
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it's useful for us to go back and look at how republicans regarded these waves of rage since obama became president. people thought the answer is we have to be against health care, against cap and trade, against the export/import bank. i think trump is showing you have to be kind of an angry jerk to really display the feelings that they have in the obama era, or at least a lot of them, that they don't really care about the issues at all. they just want someone who acts the way that they feel, and he's doing that. >> josh, you had a series of tweets that broke down important polling on trump and how republican voters feel. one in particular to jonathan's point, the angry electorate, moderate republicans in the new bloomberg politics poll only narrowly favor jeb bush 20%, 19%. effectively moderates are going equally for trump as they are for bush. >> it is absolutely remarkable.
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if you look at the new bloomberg poll, not only does trump have a huge lead, but a tremendously powerful appeal to every segment of the republican party. i agree with john. i think the reason is trump has become a vessel from the maximal expression of rage and outrage at not only republican leaders and president obama, but pretty much the whole political institution, the whole political world including shows like this one and people like me and you, and trump more effectively conveys that anger than anybody else out there. i think that's the key to his appeal and it explains everything and it's a huge, huge danger for the republican party. >> there seemed to be a lot of hypocrisies embedded in his candidacy, but one not discussed as much as others is the idea
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that the foundation of his message is this idea that america sucks, it's emblazoned on his trucker cap that says make america great again. i think about that message, and if the current president offered even close to that kind of message, they would ask for his impeachment. i remember when michelle obama said at one point this is one of the first times i've been truly proud of my country. i'm paraphrasing, and was excoriated for that comment. here you have someone on the republican side of the aisle who is saying over and over and over again, the rest of the world hates us, america is in the dumps. >> that's right. although i think the difference is that obama has an idea that america is better than it used to be, that america is flawed and america used to be more flawed and things are getting better.
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that's offensive to some element of the right who see it as a repudiation of american history, to be so forth right about the flaws in our history, whereas trump has the conservative idea that, we're terrible, but we used to be great. he doesn't love america now but he loves america in some past time, the 1950s maybe. to them that shows he actually does love america, just not what obama has done. your point about hypocrisy is spot on. >> trump said he never seeks forgiveness from god is winning the born-again christian vote. explain that to me if you can. >> i think it goes back to trump's affect, as john said. i think also to give trump some credit here, and to speak to that angry woman in the focus group who didn't like the idea of being continued sended to. i think it's something that extends to democrats and candidates like hillary clinton as well who are out there
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grubbing for money and doing all sorts of things that ordinary americans find offensive and think are wrong. trump is articulating something that has a broader appeal. i think trump, if you'll pardon the phrase, what a lot of voters claim to be their big issues like evangelicals, born again christians, the one thing they can agree on is trump is speaking for them, at least right now. >> they can agree there's a pronounced distaste for the democratic party. i think if there's a chink in the trump armor, it may be his past support for hillary clinton, the fact he's donated to democrats. today he said he was a fan of paul voelker and the volcker rule. that's progressive economic policy. i feel like maybe that's an area where fellow republicans can try and find a way in? >> there are a lot of chinks in trump's armor and i think he
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will go down eventually. but every day he does something more to deviate more than what scott walker has done in his entire life put together. they're sitting there with their head in their hands saying what is wrong with this party that they can't see these problems with this man. i think they'll find a way to beat him or find a way to destroy himself. look, none of us thought he would be at this point in the first place. we have to be a little more humble about our confident predictions he's going to be destroyed. no one expected trump to be in this position today. >> josh, you were shaking your head when i was talking about voelker. as a senior trump correspondent, you're focused more on that than the economy. to jonathan's point, trump has trumped the media on all this, the pontificators and even members of his own party, nobody knows where we go from here. >> i think that may start to change on thursday night when voters see him as a context, not as truth telling celebrity
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reality guy but standard bearer for the republican party. if they mentally begin to associate him as a republican presidential candidate. people will begin to think, we'll hold him to the same kind of scrutiny we hold other candidates to. that's a hurdle i think trump might have a difficult time clearing. >> the unsinkable, unthinkable donald trump. jonathan chait, josh green, thanks for joining me guys. >> thanks, alex. >> up next, chris christie gets candid at a campaign stop, maybe a little too candid.
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here is how presidential hopeful governor chris christie advocated compromise to a room full of diners in new hampshire this morning. >> i'm a catholic. but i've used birth control, and not just the rhythm method, okay? my church has a teaching against birth control. does that make me an awful catholic? >> if you're wondering how the fine folks at blake's restaurant and creamery felt hearing that at 9:30 this morning, take a look at this guy's reaction. >> i'm a catholic. but i've used birth control, and not just the rhythm method, okay? so, you know, my church has a teaching against birth control. does that make me an awful catholic? >> we'll be right back. ep trauma unit 5. what've we got? bp 64/40 sterilize sites. multiple foreign objects in the body. tweezers. (buzz!) (buzz!) if you're the guy from the operation game, you get operated on. it's what you do.
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it was 90 degrees in new york city today. like most days this summer, i was freezing at work. i am mott the only woman who tends to find office temperatures just on this side of arctic. finally, i know why ha is. a new study lays out the case
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that most office temperatures are based on an outdated model designed to accommodate the bodies of men, men from the 1960s, men who may have looked like this. to help fix this problem, the study suggests that office buildings reduce gender discriminating bias in thermal comfort or, in other words, come up with another formula doesn't force ladies to wear leg warmers in august. here is nbc's jenna wolfe with more. >> you need long sleeves, a blanket and a blazer. >> just in case. >> it can be 100 degrees outside and it feels like the north pole in here. >> this stays at your desk all through out the summer. >> sometimes there's shivering going on. >> it turns out an old formula may be to blame for the tussle over office temperatures. a new study from the nature climate change journal says the temperatures in many office buildings are determined by an outdated and inaccurate model developed in the 1960s and based on the resting metabolic rate of
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a 150-pound 40-year-old man. the study does confirm the great air conditioning debate isn't just in your head finding that in general females prefer a higher room temperatures than males in home and office situations. that's a balmy 77 degrees for a woman, compared to a cool 71.6 for men. >> women tend to have lower basil metabolic rates so they burn off energy slower. they give off less heat than men so tend to be colder. women tend to wear skirts, so maybe they have their legs bare and cold, their arms may be out. men tend to wear jackets or suits. if you add all these things together, it's mo more likely the difference between men and women will be more pronounced. >> a battle of the sections that isn't likely to end any time soon. >> that was jenna wolfe reporting. we'll talk about why setting temperatures at warmer levels is better for all of us coming up next.
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[music] do you like cougars? terry will you shut up! you are adorable. thank you. ladies your belts all snugged up? why do we have to buckle up? the pick up stinks with diesel. [ding] you've got to be kidding! oh please! ah! this is the end! oh my god! [brakes screech] we need resuscitation. mouth-to-mouth resuscitation. hurry up! [laughing] joining me now is mike pesca host of slate's daily podcast, the gist. talking about gender biases in office temperature. i have a blanket over my legs. this dress is made of scuba diving material and i'm still cold. >> i thought that blanket was a tribute to mr. potter and "it's a wonderful life."
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if someone is cold, they can bundle up, if someone is hot, they'll be sweateding over your desk. >> jonathan chait makes the point that the gender that gets colder is able to wear less, while the men are supposed to wear the -- the women are dressed like burritos. >> yes, all through out. >> woven blankets and the like. >> like the shackelton exhibition has washed up in the offices of america. the snuggies are in full force. >> yes! >> however, the study it's based on is ridiculous because it's based on the fact that in 1960 it was a man's body. but we have all gotten so much fatter since 1960, the average weight of an american male is
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196. the average weight of american female -- >> you make a bmi argument. >> we're all a little sweatier now. point two, do you think they really set the thermostat because of a study in 1960? >> i think there's metrics that go around thinking this is the comfortable temperature for a workplace environment. i'm not a scientist, though i play one on television, and i feel like it's not just bmi, there are various scientific metrics in the human body that determines one's metabolism and what temperature which one is most comfortable. i can't argue with you on the increasing obesity. i can argue in 1950 women made up 29.6 of the american workforce. setting as aside metabolism, shouldn't their happiness and comfort be taken into consideration?
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>> i would nudge that thermostat up half a degree. i think i could sell it. >> also benefit to the environment. >> that's overstated. air conditioning doesn't really -- heating is actually worse. the other side of this story is, if women like it a little hotter. >> maybe we see compromise. >> but heating in the winter causes much more environmental impact. >> maybe we women can have it cooler in the winter and warmer in the summer and we can meet in middle grounds. >> we can meet over a gas fire and sing songs like in "rocky." >> i'll bring in a jacket. mike, always good to see you. thank you for joining me. that is all in for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts now.
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>> i have never been cold. >> that's because you're wearing a jacket. >> that's true. i'm manish. i've never felt manish in this particular way. my thermostat is manish. >> you burn hot. it's a good thing. >> you blow my mind, alex wagner. well done. thank you. thank you at home for joining us this hour. so we're leading off with something big tonight because there is a problem. there is a significant problem in national politics. here is what has happened. fox news channel tonight has announced who they are allowing into the debate for the republican debate day after tomorrow in ohio. it appears they have sort of rigged it. there are 17 major candidates competing for the republican presidential nomination this year.